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Pinky Denmark
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Posted - 2008.01.31 12:12:00 -
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M R - Z U L U
Amarr players seem happy that you are taking seriously care about Amarr. I'm sure the ship review will be carefull and supply Amarr with some easier fittings and some versatility.
The solution to EM damage however is something you should really really look into.
I can understand dropping EM resist on armor might seem very reasonable - but if you absolutely have to nerf the shieldtanks (which in advance isn't used much in pvp) I believe 10% is a bit over the edge.
Even if we have shield recharge I'd consider testing with only a 5%-point reduction... If anything shield tankers could need some shield regeneration to help compensate for the sudden lack of medslots when bringing a shield tanking ship into PvP.
Shield tanking doesn't need a nerf - Shield tankers gets whacked by amarr and minmatar already...
The only people enjoying the shield nerf is minmatar and explosive shield drone users (woohoo warriors)
I was a strong believer CCP wanted to enforce the use of shield tanks for PvP. The Siege and HAM being a decent reason for bringing caldari ships into play.
Also the choice to give at least some Minmatar ships Shield bonus was also a good indicative.
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Posted - 2008.01.31 12:56:00 -
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Talking about omni-tanks as something to be encouraged makes me a bit ill... really - most armor tankers use them, and maybe THAT is the true problem.
If the shields kept the explosive resists maybe more people would use shield tanks in pvp and lasers would be more usefull... Otherwise welcome to a game where people fit AutoCannons on all ships not having a specific bonus to other types 
having the shield recharge as excuse for also taking away shield resist is not thought over well...
BUT people - please bear in mind the Amarr ships will get a little love themself.. The resist balance isn't everything.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 01/02/2008 13:34:11
who cares about freighters
Zulupark is completely right that the fix should be towards EM damage... Im just not believing it's done right, or at least the "logical" (my a$$) consequences is way off.
Dropping EM on armor is the short term working solution, BUT:
1)Armor tank vs Shield tank for PvP is the real issue
2)Efficiency of omni tanks is the major issue of armor vs shield for PvP
3)Having to drop expl resist on shield because we have recharge is wrong
The recharge might work on very few setups, but those setups are basically already very weak against EM damage... Besides Having same total amount of resist points on basic T1 shield/armor tanks doesn't have a bad effect as the recharge on shields barely compensates on an active shield tank for the lack of practically available tankslots...
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Besides armor tankers also have the compensation of sheer amount of armor on ships and fitting of plates. Shield recharge really only matters in a few specific setups...
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Posted - 2008.02.01 13:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Uhm say what?
Im not saying I want all that - But apparantly most pvp-people are prefering/using armor tanks for a reason... Why is that? In the fix on EM damage we either have to get more people on using shield tanks or nerf armor tanks.
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Posted - 2008.02.01 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 01/02/2008 17:53:27
Originally by: Shevar
1) It isn't the only real issue for Amarr, yes effective DPS is one of the issues but not the only one.
2) Yes because invul fields are so much more worse then an eam
3) This is because if shield tanking would suddenly become popular minmatar would be in somewhat the same boat as amarr. So they change the explosive resistance as well. This has nothing to do with the shield recharge, the shield recharge explains why shield resistances are lower in the first place. [/quote=Shevar]
1: This debate is actually for the EM issue... save the beans for another blog m8
2: racial shield hardeners are valid choices in many situations - INV's arent bad, I know... But the many armor tanks in PvP and abundance of omnitanks must be a clear sign of something
3: Minmatar have no trouble against shield tanks with their EMP ammo and decent dps (vs caldari ships)
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Posted - 2008.02.02 14:12:00 -
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By far the largest problem is that armor tanking is quite a lot more popular than shield tanking and EM by far is the highest resistance on armor for all races.
To maintain a correct ratio between shield tanking and armor tanking we'd also remove 10% from the explosive resistances on shields.
 Why does it sound like CCP Want to maintain armor tanking as the "quite a lot more popular" form of tanking in PvP ??????
Explosive damage doesn't really have an issue as most people are armor tankers and the explosive dealing Projective Weapons also deal a great amount of EM damage with the right ammunition. Also being able to outDPS a caldari shield tanker using missiles.
And all arguments to nerf shield resists so far doesn't make sense at all...
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Posted - 2008.02.02 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Because shield tanking in pve is ridiculously overpowered?
Yeah - this balance is all about PvE ... Shield tanks for PvE are great because we don't have to tackle or fit MWDs and enable us to fit damage mods.
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Posted - 2008.02.02 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Yeah but you cant simply boost shield tanking overall because then it will be even more overpowered. A complete rehaul of the whole shield tank system would be nessesary to do this. I dont think they are planning or have time for it right now. You got your torp gank boost, use it.
They are definately not boosting shield tanking and I believe you are way off topic... And maybe even a bit wrong...
If they are reducing em resist on armor it is IMO not necesary to reduce the explosive resist on shields - It's impossible to calculate exactly how the armor/shield is balanced but most people using armor tanks in the real action proves my point of a shield nerf not being needed.
You can always send me a mail if you want a better debate. And I trained for torpedoes long before they were made bbq-weapons
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